Tuesday, August 01, 2006

Older women? Well, why not?

A classmate and sometime close friend (we've drifted, since then) got married recently. I got to know about this when I was in India. The question is, why am I writing about it?

Well, firstly he married someone I know. Someone 17 years older than him. She's a professor (was our professor); he's a fledgling specialist. Secondly, the possibility that they were having a relationship was something that was suggested to me throughout college. Since I was a close friend, many of these suggestions were actually point-blank queries directed my way. I would earnestly deny this, since I knew they were neighbours, that the families were very close, that he called her 'aunt', and that this was why he picked her up every day. I was on that car on many occasions, as I was at her place, and had noticed nothing to suggest otherwise. I was, of course, probably being kept a little less than well informed, but this fills me with nothing but utter, subversive delight. Bully for them.

Thirdly, both families are Muslim. Muslim society being somewhat more conservative than many others, this May-October romance and it's culmination must have been conducted under tremendous tension.

Finally, I was informed of this by another professor, a very hip, ostensibly liberal ex-Miss Calcutta, who presented it with an air of mild distaste, simultaneously saying that she was happy for them but that she believed ' it's not sensible to have such an age gap, especially if it's the woman who's older'. Her husband, by the way, is about 12 years older than her. Du-uh? And this was the tack most of my old accquaintances appeared to adopt (to varying degrees) in conversations over the ensuing week.

Another Indian friend, well into her thirties, married someone 8 years younger than her. This did raise eyebrows, but didn't appear to provoke all that much discomfort. The fact that both came from liberal, highly educated backgrounds perhaps had something to do with this. Which leads me to wonder, is there some sort of unspoken age-gap cut-off which determines whether such relationships are okay or not?

The reason why all this has come together in my head is because someone in the UK (a child psychiatrist, no less) had a baby a few weeks ago. This, and specifically the fact that she was older than the average norm for maternity, provoked a storm of protest, with everyone from the British Fertility Society to evangelical christians jumping onto a finger-wagging, disapproving bandwagon. And funnily enough, an overwhelming majority of the people calling up the BBC Radio London talk-shows in indignant outrage were women. Why?

It would be easy to dismiss this as simple ageism, but I suspect there are a lot more isms (and non-isms) involved here. The old fertility argument, whatever it's validity, is being, of course, demolished by the remarkable advances in fertility treatment.

So why is it okay, and even worthy of fawning media appreciation, when a Shashi Tharoor or a Rupert Murdoch (and umpteen other men of all races, creeds and political persuasions) marry and/or mate with some young babe when they are well into senile dotage and sire children, but not when my friends in India and Dr. Rashbrook do the same?

And why are so many women so deeply uncomfortable with this?

P.S. And now I'm thinking of Nafisa Ali, Arundhati Roy, Diane Keaton (who's been spoken for by a certain Mr. Reeves), Catherine Deneuve, Michelle Yeoh, J. K Rowling, Deepti Naval, Jane Fonda, Monica Ali, Tina Turner et al. All so utterly gorgeous, dateable and desirable......but then I digress, however pleasantly.

13 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, that's a coincidence! Was having a discussion on similar lines with Primalsoup just a couple of days ago. I agree with what you say here. If two people love each other (and as long as one of them is not a kid), then whats age got to do with it? Its strange that while on one hand, the man being nearly a decade older than the woman is not only okay with some people, but also desirable; on the other hand if the woman is even a month older, people object to the alliance on the basis of the "age difference". And this is true not only in the eastern societies, but also in the "more liberal" western societies.

About the doctor having a baby at her age, I don't have an idea about the details/protests in news, but why not? If the lady's healthy enough, then why deny her the right to be a mother?

Though on a lighter note, you seem like me. I'm notorious for missing crushes/romances happening right under my nose...I just find out about it only a decade or so after the whole world knew of it. :-)

~N.

Tuesday, August 01, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey sweetheart!
Thank God we met before you met all those gorgeous women you have listed at the end of the post ;)

Tuesday, August 01, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

heh..amen to that! :D

~N.

Tuesday, August 01, 2006  
Blogger twip said...

My aunt is 9 years older than her husband, and Ive seen the crap they were put through by some of our conservative relatives.

Lovely post, it hit too close to home.

:)

Tuesday, August 01, 2006  
Blogger nevermind said...

N, totally agree. As for missing things, I'm the original idiot. Always.

Anon, hellooooo:-)! Welcome. You bet.

Megha, welcome. We need to do the dirty on some conservative relatives, one of these days.

Thursday, August 03, 2006  
Blogger bendinggender said...

oh goodness! i have so much to say on this. have been seeing and seething over an older woman (38)-younger man (27) saga in the extended family for many months now. it revolves around stuff like...we're 'liberal', indian middle class...so we are ok with this for now. but what when kids come into the question. she'll never be able to have kids, and certainly won't be in any state to look after them if she does manage. plus, sex-sheks is ok now. but what when she's 60 and he 49? her libido will have dropped off the radar. what about poor him? this is not said in so many words of course. but definitely implied.
i sit stunned through many of these fervent conversations...wondering why none of this ever comes up when a 27 year old woman marries a 38 year-old man. what about stuff like libido and fathering and looking after kids then?
and you know what...my take is..under all this...lies the simple question of power. when she is 27 and he 38...the power equation is 'simple' and clear cut and time-honoured. when it reverses...things go into a tizzy. she has the money and job and experience. and THAT'S the problem.

Thursday, August 03, 2006  
Blogger milieu said...

it must be a lot to do with the traditional power equation in the society as nikita mentioned.
But do think things are changing and will change as society will have no option but to change with the change in power equation and why not?

Saturday, August 05, 2006  
Blogger Vijayeta said...

Awesome choice of subject to write about! I've a girl friend who's getting grief about her fiance being 2 years younger to her!
Stereotypes, cliches, gender bias (men can get away with murder, but women cant get away with a younger man!) Then we talk about being uber-progressive etc.
AAAARRGH!

P.S. I was away on a week long vacation to Ajmer and visited my school. A bunch of class twelfth boys, on their way to evening games, snickered, grinned and finally said "Hot Babe!" out loud. And it gave me maaaajor cheap thrills. Even though they were at least 10 year younger than me!
:D

Sunday, August 06, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vij, You ARE hotlooking.You should have a placard on you which says to be seen only under Parental Guidance :D

Monday, August 07, 2006  
Blogger nevermind said...

hey genderbender, keep 'em coming;-D.

sk, it's changing, but largely for the educated upper class, no? i.e. people from the minority we represent. i s'pos that's a start.

vij, now that has shades of tina turner in eton for her 60th- all legs and overpowering oestrogen. poor li'l buggers.

anonm, how very interesting....

Monday, August 07, 2006  
Blogger nevermind said...

oh, btw, no one's answered my woman question. this was a curious post, not a rhetorical one. anybody?

Monday, August 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

[And why are so many women so deeply uncomfortable with this?]

Am still mulling over this one. Am not sure whether its the women who're more uncomfortable about this or the men? And for the women who are uncomfortable about this, is it more due to their social preconditioning, their being brought up to think that the man should be the older one and not the woman? Or do they sincerely believe in all those arguments they put forth against such pairings? Or perhaps the discomfort with this issue is not gender based, rather more individual based?

Why I haven't been able to reach any conclusion is because I've seen various reactions to this issue.

Of those involved in such relationships, I've seen the men to be more unconcerned about the age difference, while the women (some, not all) women tended to be hesitant/unsure, and have certainly given the issue more than a passing thought.

Of the people not directly involved in such relationships, the men tend to snigger and take such relationships frivolously, not even considering the possibility that the other guy might be seriously in love. The women tend to take such relationships more seriously, but they think that its not such a great idea as their prognosis about the relationship lasting is very bleak.

And then there are individual cases, like the one where this girl had 2 suitors, one older to her and the second 7 years her junior. A lot of people in her family - aunts, cousins, even her nearly 90 years old grandmother! - were rooting for the younger guy as he was a better person! :)

~N.

Wednesday, August 09, 2006  
Blogger nevermind said...

Keep 'em coming, N. It's a pleasure to have you. My thoughts, exactly. Individual, more than collective. Conditioning, more than nature. Oh, yes. And plenty of room for change.

Sunday, August 13, 2006  

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